[LPL Board of Directors] MOTION FROM THE CHAIR - urgent - radio advertising
Adrien Monteleone
chairman at lplouisiana.org
Wed Apr 10 00:35:14 CDT 2013
The numbers are close enough not to quibble over.
The reasons I stated why I think this is a good use of a small amount of funds
are still valid, in fact, the larger the festival the more validity my point
may hold.
As to the issue of new people coming aboard - no one is harmed by this save
Mr. Smith because the requirement for passage may have thus been higher than
those willing to respond since they are so new.
Your objection is noted and has already been addressed. Repeating it doesn't
change anything.
As well, it holds little water.
I spoke to you personally on Saturday and advised you of most of what you
needed to know face to face.
I also advised you to keep an eye out for your email with the new LPL address
instructions. You received that yesterday at 4;58pm.
I have since forwarded all of you the relevant messages from the mailing list
dealing with issues that we will be addressing at this meeting.
Yes, I forgot to add the new rep addresses to the mailing list before this
motion was sent out. Keith asked a question which prompted to remind me to do
so and everyone was copied appropriately - no one was left out. The motion
was still young and no one was demanding votes from anyone. I think I've
addressed that issue sufficiently in my previous response.
Mr. Salgado is free to speak for himself, as is Mr. Mounts. This is now the
second time I will call you to order on this point.
For the benefit of everyone else, I sent Albert Salgado, the Orleans Rep, his
email instructions at 3:30 on April 2nd. That was a week ago. I sent those
instructions to the address HE wrote down on the sign-in sheet at the caucus.
It did not bounce. There's only so much I can do. Since you sent me a
different email address in a recent message, I've sent him a message to that
address to make sure he's squared away and to let him know to contact me if he
has issues.
I find you seem to have an odd pre-occupation with serving as "conversation
mediator" for others instead of letting them speak for themselves or handle
their own issues. Or perhaps, you just want to inject yourself into
everything. I'm not sure. But it is not welcome.
I never suggested you needed to support someone else's project to get support
for yours.
I suggested for you not to be so condescending and negative out of the gate.
You're new here and you're making a really poor initial impression. Attacking
the Chair or any other member in your first interactions isn't what one would
consider "professionalism" or "civil" behavior according to Robert's.
We are not generally an adversarial group. We'd rather focus on building the
party.
Let's get back to that task.
In Liberty,
Adrien Monteleone - Chairman
Libertarian Party of Louisiana
On 4/9/13 11:00 PM, Daniel Hayes wrote:
> Reed,
> You essentially just called me a liar. It is not productive or
> appreciated. The numbers I were quoting came from my recollection of a
> conversation I had with chuck Saucier the organizer of the event:
>
> "March 13
> Chuck..are you going to make it to the State Central committee meeting in
> NOLA April 13th at noon?
> 9:12am
> Still hopin to be working for the Libertarian party at the Strawberry
> Festival that weekend...Its an event that draws 500,000+ people"
>
> For the purpose of my point did it really matter? I can copy and paste the
> Email and send it to anyone that cares to see it on facebook with my
> pictures and chuck's sitting right in the mail. I also just got off the
> phone with Chuck and when I told him that we were voting on whether or not
> to do radio advertisement for the Festival..he interrupted me and said he
> didn't think that would be a good investment. Anybody that cares to call him
> and check this is welcome. I also told him with a laugh that he got me
> "called out" over the numbers he gave to me on March 13th..and he said the
> numbers vary on where you look and from year to year and that the estimates
> do range upwards of 500,000 people. I suggest in the future actually
> picking up the phone and talking to the people organizing an event before
> making plans relative to that event to get their input and perspective.
>
>
> The fact that the Chairman had not made sure that the Reps have been
> notified and are up to speed on this email system before springing this
> hasty vote is problematic and I believe Mr Salgado has yet to receive any
> Email at all because the party has the wrong address. There is a reason why
> Robert's frowns upon email voting..and the problems arising in this vote are
> why.
>
> Additionally, the suggestion that I support someone else's project just so
> that I get my own project in the future supported is rather troubling. Isn't
> that the sort of behavior that we are supposed to be working against? Also,
> to say that I am complaining...I thought I was engaged in discussion. Maybe
> if things had been done properly relative to notifying the new Reps there
> wouldn't have been anything to object to on that regard. I frankly am taken
> aback at the VERY unprofessional attitude I have been greeted with here.
> It's such a shame that one of the only true professionals I have encountered
> in the party, Wes Benedict, is resigning this Friday. His presence will be
> truly missed.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2013-04-09 21:44, Reed Ebarb wrote:
>> Mr. Hayes, I am an adamant fact checker and your 500,000 is a VERY
>> inflated number. Do not feed false facts to this mailing list or I will
>> call you out on it EVERY SINGLE TIME. Next time you want to make things
>> up, don't send it to me. I believe Adrien already said something to this
>> effect but I do not think it neccessary for you to speak for people
>> already on the mailing list.
>>
>> If you believe we should spend on something else, PLEASE make a motion.
>> Otherwise, stop complaining. I don't have time or patience for it.
>>
>>> On this matter..this is like advertising that we will be going door to
>>> door. The Strawberry Festival itself is the advertisement. It attracts
>>> 500,000 people over the 3 days that it runs..its the largest festival in
>>> the state. All we will be doing is spending our money to advertise for
>>> the Strawberry Festival. Nobody is going the head to the Festival from
>>> New Orleans where the show airs just to go to the Libertarian Party
>>> booth. Money would have been better spent on professional literature
>>> with our contact information to pass out at the Festival. David Mounts
>>> was prepared to buy some of this out of his own pocket to the tune of
>>> about $700 but I think this suggestion has him so frustrated that he has
>>> decided to not do so.
>>>
>>> On 2013-04-09 19:30, Daniel Hayes wrote:
>>>> I have to strongly object to this proceeding as most of the Reps from
>>>> the parishes have not had a chance to even get into their Emails. We
>>>> also need some time for discussion. This is hasty and ill advised.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-04-09 19:07, Boyd Smith wrote:
>>>>> Is Daniel Hayes on the list?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jefferson Parish.
>>>>>
>>>>> bws
>>>>>
>>>>> FROM: Adrien Monteleone <chairman at lplouisiana.org>
>>>>> TO: Mailing list for LPL Board of Directors <scc at lplouisiana.org>
>>>>> SENT: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:00 PM
>>>>> SUBJECT: Re: [LPL Board of Directors] MOTION FROM THE CHAIR -
>>>>> urgent
>>>>> - radio advertising
>>>>>
>>>>> They vote on all items.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are on this list.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- In Liberty,
>>>>>
>>>>> Adrien Monteleone - Chairman
>>>>> Libertarian Party of Louisiana
>>>>> On 04/09/2013 06:49 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm still ignorant of the rules for this sort of thing. Is this
>>>>>> something that the parish reps should vote on as well? Or do they not
>>>>>> vote on all items?
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> - Keith
>>>>>> On 2013-04-09 17:11, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As of right now, there are 4 votes. three more are needed for a
>>>>>>> quorum. If they are "Aye" then there is an absolute majority and it
>>>>>>> passes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will not vote until two more "Aye" votes are in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- In Liberty,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adrien Monteleone - Chairman
>>>>>>> Libertarian Party of Louisiana
>>>>>>> On 04/09/2013 04:57 PM, Boyd Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like it. Much better.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bws
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FROM: Adrien Monteleone mailto:chairman at lplouisiana.org
>>>>>>>> TO: Mailing list for LPL Board of Directors
>>>>>>>> mailto:scc at lplouisiana.org
>>>>>>>> SENT: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 3:20 PM
>>>>>>>> SUBJECT: Re: [LPL Board of Directors] MOTION FROM THE CHAIR -
>>>>>>>> urgent - radio advertising
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That text looks good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I couldn't help myself and tweaked it a bit. (attached)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These are just suggestions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I timed it right short of 30 seconds.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Adrien Monteleone - Chairman
>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party of Louisiana
>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2013 02:05 PM, Boyd Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The same.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Look this over and give what ever improvements that you can,
>>>>>>>>> please.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bws
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FROM: Keith Thompson mailto:media at lplouisiana.org
>>>>>>>>> TO: scc at lplouisiana.org
>>>>>>>>> SENT: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 1:55 PM
>>>>>>>>> SUBJECT: Re: [LPL Board of Directors] MOTION FROM THE CHAIR -
>>>>>>>>> urgent - radio advertising
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Would we get a better rate if we produced the spot? Or is it the
>>>>>>>>> same cost regardless of production?
>>>>>>>>> - Keith
>>>>>>>>> On 2013-04-09 13:39, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To all SCC members,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My apologies for the short deadline of this vote. I generally
>>>>>>>>>> do not prefer to make such a request.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Our Elections officer Boyd Smith would like approval to spend
>>>>>>>>>> party funds on radio advertising our presence at the Ponchatoula
>>>>>>>>>> Strawberry Festival this weekend. (to encourage people to stop
>>>>>>>>>> by, learn more, and sign up as members and change voter
>>>>>>>>>> registration to LP)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He would like to run 1-2 commercials per day for Wednesday,
>>>>>>>>>> Thursday & Friday. (deadlines mean maybe only Thurs. and Fri. are
>>>>>>>>>> available)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The cost for 60 second spots is $75.
>>>>>>>>>> The cost for 30 second spots is $55.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This includes production, but Boyd will be in charge of the
>>>>>>>>>> script.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The spots will be run during the John Osterlind and Denny
>>>>>>>>>> Shaffer shows on WRNO which have both been friendly to the LP. (I
>>>>>>>>>> think Osterlind already announced he is "libertarian" and
>>>>>>>>>> endorsed Gary Johnson last fall) Their audience is friendly to
>>>>>>>>>> our message as well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On the short side, this will cost $165 for three 30 second
>>>>>>>>>> spots, or as much as $450 for six 60 second spots.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is estimated that this will increase traffic at the LP booth
>>>>>>>>>> at the festival by about 200 to even maybe 600 people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We would need to generate 7 new memberships to break even on
>>>>>>>>>> the low end, and 18 to break even on the high end. That would at
>>>>>>>>>> worst be a 10% conversion rate, and at best, only 1%. I think
>>>>>>>>>> either number is achievable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Additionally, if we vote to do this, donors can be targeted to
>>>>>>>>>> pledge the extra bucks to cover the cost so there is still no net
>>>>>>>>>> loss to the bank balance as of today.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All those in favor of authorizing this expenditure please vote
>>>>>>>>>> AYE as soon as possible. Time lost is time missed to run the
>>>>>>>>>> spots and reach more people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course, our normal rules of 72 hours to vote still apply,
>>>>>>>>>> but I urge you to get your vote in sooner if you are able.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now that we have 13 members on the Board, 7 will be needed for
>>>>>>>>>> a quorum and a majority of those voting required for passage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you intend to vote NAY, please also do that as soon as
>>>>>>>>>> possible so we will know quickly if this measure would fail.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> -- In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Adrien Monteleone - Chairman
>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party of Louisiana
>>>>>>>>>>
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