[LPL Board of Directors] MOTION FROM THE CHAIR - urgent - radio advertising
Daniel Hayes
sccrep at jefferson.lplouisiana.org
Wed Apr 10 03:32:55 CDT 2013
Mr Chairman,
I request a point of information. The email chain suggests there was
voting and discussion prior to the new SCC reps being added to the
thread with their addition to the mailing group for LPL Board of
Directors. I would like all those emails forwarded to those of us that
were added later.
On 2013-04-10 00:44, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> Mr. Hayes,
>
> The tone of the present thread seems to be entirely of your doing
> sir. You started it off. Please cease.
>
> Same to you Mr. Ebarb. Enough.
>
> None of this is productive.
>
> Mr. Hayes, I'm not sure what your issue is with "transparency." I've
> not been requested for any information that I'm aware of that I
> haven't responded to. Anything you want to know about how the party
> is
> operated, feel free to ask.
>
> I've addressed your insinuations of lack of professionalism in
> another response.
>
> In Liberty,
>
> Adrien Monteleone - Chairman
> Libertarian Party of Louisiana
>
> On 4/10/13 12:12 AM, Daniel Hayes wrote:
>
>> Reed,
>> I was elected to represent my parish, not to sit back and watch how
>> "the good ol' boys" do things. I do ask questions and I get snarky
>> flippant responses from you and others. The lack of transparency and
>> professionalism in a Libertarian organization is appalling. Your last
>> 2 emails to me have directly insulted me. You have implied I was a
>> liar and you have called me ignorant. I am well aware of the proper
>> use of the word but the fact that you used it to reference me twice in
>> the same post is rather troubling. Is this the normal nature of the
>> correspondence from officers to new SCC members and among each other?
>> You tell me to quit complaining when I was objecting to improper
>> notification of SCC members as they were not included in the mail
>> relative to this and I was voicing my concerns over expending hard
>> fought over funding. Your efforts in the past did help us to get here
>> but to imply that I am any less able to understand the matters at hand
>> is frankly troubling. Also, to imply that this party is strong and
>> large at this point? 7600 members?No elected officials but a few small
>> seats that nobody ran for? Maybe the Rithmetic classes down in south
>> Louisiana aren't up to par with those in the north..but I just don't
>> see that assertion...Also, Please stick to one Email address(out of
>> your Reed Ebarb-secretary address and this one as acting treasurer) as
>> it could seem that you were trying to create the appearance that more
>> than one officer was supporting your own position.
>>
>> Also
>> On 2013-04-09 23:36, treasurer at lplouisiana.org wrote:
>>
>>> Mr. Hayes,
>>> I strongly suggest you take a back seat over the next month and
>>> learn
>>> how things are done before attempting to come in and change
>>> everything. When I joined the party in early 2012, we had less than
>>> 10 people at the convention, no candidates, and no income. A year
>>> later, look where we are. Many things would not be possible today
>>> without the relentless, determined work of a few, unpaid, party
>>> officers.
>>>
>>> Before you change things, I highly suggest you take a back seat to
>>> how things are run and ask why things are a certain way before you
>>> attempt to change something you don't understand. You are ignorant
>>> to
>>> how things came to be this way and why certain decisions were made.
>>> Asking and learning tend to help one make an informed decision.
>>>
>>> Your ignorance will cause the Party much trouble over the next few
>>> months
>>> as you try to change everything to suit you. Learn and ask. The
>>> Party
>>> didn't become this strong and large without a few intelligent
>>> beings
>>> running it.
>>>
>>>> Reed,
>>>> You essentially just called me a liar. It is not productive or
>>>> appreciated. The numbers I were quoting came from my recollection
>>>> of a
>>>> conversation I had with chuck Saucier the organizer of the event:
>>>>
>>>> "March 13
>>>> Chuck..are you going to make it to the State Central committee
>>>> meeting
>>>> in NOLA April 13th at noon?
>>>> 9:12am
>>>> Still hopin to be working for the Libertarian party at the
>>>> Strawberry
>>>> Festival that weekend...Its an event that draws 500,000+ people"
>>>>
>>>> For the purpose of my point did it really matter? I can copy and
>>>> paste
>>>> the Email and send it to anyone that cares to see it on facebook
>>>> with my
>>>> pictures and chuck's sitting right in the mail. I also just got
>>>> off the
>>>> phone with Chuck and when I told him that we were voting on
>>>> whether or
>>>> not to do radio advertisement for the Festival..he interrupted me
>>>> and
>>>> said he didn't think that would be a good investment. Anybody that
>>>> cares
>>>> to call him and check this is welcome. I also told him with a
>>>> laugh that
>>>> he got me "called out" over the numbers he gave to me on March
>>>> 13th..and
>>>> he said the numbers vary on where you look and from year to year
>>>> and
>>>> that the estimates do range upwards of 500,000 people. I suggest
>>>> in the
>>>> future actually picking up the phone and talking to the people
>>>> organizing an event before making plans relative to that event to
>>>> get
>>>> their input and perspective.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that the Chairman had not made sure that the Reps have
>>>> been
>>>> notified and are up to speed on this email system before springing
>>>> this
>>>> hasty vote is problematic and I believe Mr Salgado has yet to
>>>> receive
>>>> any Email at all because the party has the wrong address. There is
>>>> a
>>>> reason why Robert's frowns upon email voting..and the problems
>>>> arising
>>>> in this vote are why.
>>>>
>>>> Additionally, the suggestion that I support someone else's project
>>>> just
>>>> so that I get my own project in the future supported is rather
>>>> troubling. Isn't that the sort of behavior that we are supposed to
>>>> be
>>>> working against? Also, to say that I am complaining...I thought I
>>>> was
>>>> engaged in discussion. Maybe if things had been done properly
>>>> relative
>>>> to notifying the new Reps there wouldn't have been anything to
>>>> object to
>>>> on that regard. I frankly am taken aback at the VERY
>>>> unprofessional
>>>> attitude I have been greeted with here. It's such a shame that one
>>>> of
>>>> the only true professionals I have encountered in the party, Wes
>>>> Benedict, is resigning this Friday. His presence will be truly
>>>> missed.
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-04-09 21:44, Reed Ebarb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Hayes, I am an adamant fact checker and your 500,000 is a
>>>>> VERY
>>>>> inflated number. Do not feed false facts to this mailing list or
>>>>> I
>>>>> will
>>>>> call you out on it EVERY SINGLE TIME. Next time you want to make
>>>>> things
>>>>> up, don't send it to me. I believe Adrien already said something
>>>>> to
>>>>> this
>>>>> effect but I do not think it neccessary for you to speak for
>>>>> people
>>>>> already on the mailing list.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you believe we should spend on something else, PLEASE make a
>>>>> motion.
>>>>> Otherwise, stop complaining. I don't have time or patience for
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On this matter..this is like advertising that we will be going
>>>>>> door
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> door. The Strawberry Festival itself is the advertisement. It
>>>>>> attracts
>>>>>> 500,000 people over the 3 days that it runs..its the largest
>>>>>> festival in
>>>>>> the state. All we will be doing is spending our money to
>>>>>> advertise
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the Strawberry Festival. Nobody is going the head to the
>>>>>> Festival
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> New Orleans where the show airs just to go to the Libertarian
>>>>>> Party
>>>>>> booth. Money would have been better spent on professional
>>>>>> literature
>>>>>> with our contact information to pass out at the Festival. David
>>>>>> Mounts
>>>>>> was prepared to buy some of this out of his own pocket to the
>>>>>> tune
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> about $700 but I think this suggestion has him so frustrated
>>>>>> that he
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> decided to not do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2013-04-09 19:30, Daniel Hayes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have to strongly object to this proceeding as most of the
>>>>>>> Reps
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> the parishes have not had a chance to even get into their
>>>>>>> Emails.
>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>> also need some time for discussion. This is hasty and ill
>>>>>>> advised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2013-04-09 19:07, Boyd Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is Daniel Hayes on the list?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jefferson Parish.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bws
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FROM: Adrien Monteleone <chairman at lplouisiana.org>
>>>>>>>> TO: Mailing list for LPL Board of Directors
>>>>>>>> <scc at lplouisiana.org>
>>>>>>>> SENT: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:00 PM
>>>>>>>> SUBJECT: Re: [LPL Board of Directors] MOTION FROM THE CHAIR -
>>>>>>>> urgent
>>>>>>>> - radio advertising
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They vote on all items.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are on this list.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Adrien Monteleone - Chairman
>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party of Louisiana
>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2013 06:49 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm still ignorant of the rules for this sort of thing. Is
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> something that the parish reps should vote on as well? Or do
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> vote on all items?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> - Keith
>>>>>>>>> On 2013-04-09 17:11, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As of right now, there are 4 votes. three more are needed
>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>> quorum. If they are "Aye" then there is an absolute majority
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> passes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I will not vote until two more "Aye" votes are in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Adrien Monteleone - Chairman
>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party of Louisiana
>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2013 04:57 PM, Boyd Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Like it. Much better.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> bws
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> FROM: Adrien Monteleone mailto:chairman at lplouisiana.org
>>>>>>>>>>> TO: Mailing list for LPL Board of Directors
>>>>>>>>>>> mailto:scc at lplouisiana.org
>>>>>>>>>>> SENT: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 3:20 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> SUBJECT: Re: [LPL Board of Directors] MOTION FROM THE CHAIR
>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>> urgent - radio advertising
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That text looks good.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't help myself and tweaked it a bit. (attached)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> These are just suggestions.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I timed it right short of 30 seconds.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -- In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Adrien Monteleone - Chairman
>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party of Louisiana
>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/09/2013 02:05 PM, Boyd Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The same.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Look this over and give what ever improvements that you
>>>>>>>>>>>> can,
>>>>>>>>>>>> please.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> bws
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> FROM: Keith Thompson mailto:media at lplouisiana.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> TO: scc at lplouisiana.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> SENT: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 1:55 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> SUBJECT: Re: [LPL Board of Directors] MOTION FROM THE
>>>>>>>>>>>> CHAIR -
>>>>>>>>>>>> urgent - radio advertising
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Would we get a better rate if we produced the spot? Or is
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> same cost regardless of production?
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Keith
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2013-04-09 13:39, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To all SCC members,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies for the short deadline of this vote. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> generally
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not prefer to make such a request.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our Elections officer Boyd Smith would like approval to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spend
>>>>>>>>>>>>> party funds on radio advertising our presence at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ponchatoula
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strawberry Festival this weekend. (to encourage people to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by, learn more, and sign up as members and change voter
>>>>>>>>>>>>> registration to LP)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He would like to run 1-2 commercials per day for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wednesday,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thursday & Friday. (deadlines mean maybe only Thurs. and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fri.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> available)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The cost for 60 second spots is $75.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The cost for 30 second spots is $55.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This includes production, but Boyd will be in charge of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> script.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The spots will be run during the John Osterlind and Denny
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shaffer shows on WRNO which have both been friendly to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LP. (I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think Osterlind already announced he is "libertarian" and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endorsed Gary Johnson last fall) Their audience is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> friendly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> our message as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the short side, this will cost $165 for three 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>> second
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spots, or as much as $450 for six 60 second spots.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is estimated that this will increase traffic at the LP
>>>>>>>>>>>>> booth
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the festival by about 200 to even maybe 600 people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We would need to generate 7 new memberships to break even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the low end, and 18 to break even on the high end. That
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst be a 10% conversion rate, and at best, only 1%. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>> either number is achievable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Additionally, if we vote to do this, donors can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> targeted
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pledge the extra bucks to cover the cost so there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> net
>>>>>>>>>>>>> loss to the bank balance as of today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> All those in favor of authorizing this expenditure please
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AYE as soon as possible. Time lost is time missed to run
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spots and reach more people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, our normal rules of 72 hours to vote still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> apply,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I urge you to get your vote in sooner if you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> able.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that we have 13 members on the Board, 7 will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a quorum and a majority of those voting required for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> passage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you intend to vote NAY, please also do that as soon as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible so we will know quickly if this measure would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fail.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adrien Monteleone - Chairman
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party of Louisiana
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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